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	<description>Raising a Healthy Family Without Religion.</description>
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		<title>By: Noell</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-765</link>
		<dc:creator>Noell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Lori!  I did look into UU.  I researched them quite a bit online, and then visited a service once.  People were extremely friendly and the service was thought-provoking.  I was really intrigued with the children's Sunday School program.  Sometimes I read the sermons of the two congregations that exist in my area.

I have decided against joining for a few reasons, although I recommend others check it out if they want a group to be a part of.

For me the group leans a little too heavy on one political side.  I myself am Independent, and while I agree with some of the UU political leanings, I felt that joining would practically be like joining a political party.

Also, my husband has no interest in joining anything whatsoever.  And I, myself, don't care to commit to a regular Sunday meeting, having shed my lifelong practice of three-hour church meetings with the Mormon church.  We enjoy Sundays by relaxing or going out to restaurants, coffee shops, bookstores, etc.

Our nearest UU is also pretty far.  Otherwise, I actually would consider it more seriously, despite the other reasons.  I would go, at least sometimes, if it were only ten or fifteen minutes away.

Feel free to share some of your UU experiences any time!  I am sure I have some readers who would love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Lori!  I did look into UU.  I researched them quite a bit online, and then visited a service once.  People were extremely friendly and the service was thought-provoking.  I was really intrigued with the children&#8217;s Sunday School program.  Sometimes I read the sermons of the two congregations that exist in my area.</p>
<p>I have decided against joining for a few reasons, although I recommend others check it out if they want a group to be a part of.</p>
<p>For me the group leans a little too heavy on one political side.  I myself am Independent, and while I agree with some of the UU political leanings, I felt that joining would practically be like joining a political party.</p>
<p>Also, my husband has no interest in joining anything whatsoever.  And I, myself, don&#8217;t care to commit to a regular Sunday meeting, having shed my lifelong practice of three-hour church meetings with the Mormon church.  We enjoy Sundays by relaxing or going out to restaurants, coffee shops, bookstores, etc.</p>
<p>Our nearest UU is also pretty far.  Otherwise, I actually would consider it more seriously, despite the other reasons.  I would go, at least sometimes, if it were only ten or fifteen minutes away.</p>
<p>Feel free to share some of your UU experiences any time!  I am sure I have some readers who would love it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Fernholz-Hartman</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-764</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori Fernholz-Hartman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noell,
This is fabulous.  I have just read a few entries and am not too computer savy but wow!
Have you explored Unitarian-Universalism?  I am a UU and we have many agnostic church goers here in the Pacific Northwest.  Most UUs are humanists, but I find support in my free and responsible search for truth and meaning in Unitarian-Universalism.
Blessings,
Lori</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noell,<br />
This is fabulous.  I have just read a few entries and am not too computer savy but wow!<br />
Have you explored Unitarian-Universalism?  I am a UU and we have many agnostic church goers here in the Pacific Northwest.  Most UUs are humanists, but I find support in my free and responsible search for truth and meaning in Unitarian-Universalism.<br />
Blessings,<br />
Lori</p>
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		<title>By: Noell</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Noell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There it is:  their need to feel persecuted.

And also, to be the only source of all good things.  If Christianity isn't the source, it's not good.  Just to the fanatics, though.  My dear LDS mother meditates and does yoga.

As for Jesus and deep-breathing (I love it):  when I was religious, I believed that every talent that people possess is also possessed by God.  It was so hard to imagine Jesus doing gymnastics on the parallel bars, but I really tried, because he must've known how.  I'm not trying to be blasphemous here.  I really did try to imagine it and believe it.  I did.  Hee hee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There it is:  their need to feel persecuted.</p>
<p>And also, to be the only source of all good things.  If Christianity isn&#8217;t the source, it&#8217;s not good.  Just to the fanatics, though.  My dear LDS mother meditates and does yoga.</p>
<p>As for Jesus and deep-breathing (I love it):  when I was religious, I believed that every talent that people possess is also possessed by God.  It was so hard to imagine Jesus doing gymnastics on the parallel bars, but I really tried, because he must&#8217;ve known how.  I&#8217;m not trying to be blasphemous here.  I really did try to imagine it and believe it.  I did.  Hee hee.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Darrell</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've got a toe in both the Mormon and Adventist camps.  

But I love my scotch, my beer, my wine, my steaks and roast beef.  And I love the flavor of a good cigar.  I'd be a terrible member of either of those sects.

Prager's error is a common one, though, I think.  There's a guy at a seminary in Denver who is campaigning that yoga breathing and relaxation exercises should be banned from publich schools because they're religious -- to him.  There's a tyranny of Christians out there who ask that good stuff be killed in order to sustain their need to feel persecuted.  

What do you think:  Would Jesus breathe deeply?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a toe in both the Mormon and Adventist camps.  </p>
<p>But I love my scotch, my beer, my wine, my steaks and roast beef.  And I love the flavor of a good cigar.  I&#8217;d be a terrible member of either of those sects.</p>
<p>Prager&#8217;s error is a common one, though, I think.  There&#8217;s a guy at a seminary in Denver who is campaigning that yoga breathing and relaxation exercises should be banned from publich schools because they&#8217;re religious &#8212; to him.  There&#8217;s a tyranny of Christians out there who ask that good stuff be killed in order to sustain their need to feel persecuted.  </p>
<p>What do you think:  Would Jesus breathe deeply?</p>
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		<title>By: Noell</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Noell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed-

Ha!  I guess you haven't read enough to know that I came from the Latter-day Saint camp (Other readers:  LDS and Latter-day Saint means Mormon).

My LDS background still influences certain aspects of my life.  I'd say the religion has its good parts. Although I have taken up coffee and tea.  I also will have one or two coctails here and there.  But I don't drink it for the usual reasons.  I have no desire to get drunk.  Dancing and music give a much better buzz than alcolhol.

 A listener on the show actually called to tell Prager that health is an essential part of the LDS religion.</description>
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<p>Ha!  I guess you haven&#8217;t read enough to know that I came from the Latter-day Saint camp (Other readers:  LDS and Latter-day Saint means Mormon).</p>
<p>My LDS background still influences certain aspects of my life.  I&#8217;d say the religion has its good parts. Although I have taken up coffee and tea.  I also will have one or two coctails here and there.  But I don&#8217;t drink it for the usual reasons.  I have no desire to get drunk.  Dancing and music give a much better buzz than alcolhol.</p>
<p> A listener on the show actually called to tell Prager that health is an essential part of the LDS religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Darrell</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your health concerns make you a prime candidate to be a Seventh-Day Adventist, or a Latter-day Saint.  

I suppose Prager thinks those sects unreligious?  Prager sounds like a blasphemer to me . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your health concerns make you a prime candidate to be a Seventh-Day Adventist, or a Latter-day Saint.  </p>
<p>I suppose Prager thinks those sects unreligious?  Prager sounds like a blasphemer to me . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Noell</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Noell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 13:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, thank you, everybody for your approval.  

Ron-I'll be happy to post some links in an upcoming entry.  We are definitely a minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, thank you, everybody for your approval.  </p>
<p>Ron-I&#8217;ll be happy to post some links in an upcoming entry.  We are definitely a minority.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Keim</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Keim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Noell, You made some very good points.  But if you ever need an example of a guy that refutes Prager's charge, you can use me.  :)
Larry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Noell, You made some very good points.  But if you ever need an example of a guy that refutes Prager&#8217;s charge, you can use me.  <img src='http://www.agnosticmom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Larry</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2006 13:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your sense of humour Noelle. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your sense of humour Noelle. <img src='http://www.agnosticmom.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please forgive my use of the comment option to send this post - 
I just found your blog using Bloglines, and I'm glad I did!

I am looking for resources, community, and information for agnostic parenting.  I am surprised at how challenging this has been - there are assemblies (both real and virtual) for every kind of person imaginable, but the oft demonized 'teaming masses' of secularists are in reality very hard to find!
Makes the claims of our influense and numbers seem awfully questionable.

Would it be possible to supply more links, if you have them - more connections to similar blogs - and if you are feeling particularly enterprising (at the beheist of a complete stranger), create some way of organizing your archives so that they are easier to fish through? 
A link for emailing you directly would be helpful, too - it would prevent my interrupting your comments section to ask you these questions.


I'm a new parent, a stay-at-home-dad, and born-again agnostic doing my initial groundwork for making sure our nest is well lined, insulated from destructive influences, and harmonious!

thanks!  

Ron
southmountainhouse@earthlink.(remove this section)net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please forgive my use of the comment option to send this post -<br />
I just found your blog using Bloglines, and I&#8217;m glad I did!</p>
<p>I am looking for resources, community, and information for agnostic parenting.  I am surprised at how challenging this has been - there are assemblies (both real and virtual) for every kind of person imaginable, but the oft demonized &#8216;teaming masses&#8217; of secularists are in reality very hard to find!<br />
Makes the claims of our influense and numbers seem awfully questionable.</p>
<p>Would it be possible to supply more links, if you have them - more connections to similar blogs - and if you are feeling particularly enterprising (at the beheist of a complete stranger), create some way of organizing your archives so that they are easier to fish through?<br />
A link for emailing you directly would be helpful, too - it would prevent my interrupting your comments section to ask you these questions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a new parent, a stay-at-home-dad, and born-again agnostic doing my initial groundwork for making sure our nest is well lined, insulated from destructive influences, and harmonious!</p>
<p>thanks!  </p>
<p>Ron<br />
southmountainhouse@earthlink.(remove this section)net</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/08/my-healthy-sin/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noell,

I know exactly what you are talking about.  It is not like health is a substitution for religion, it just moves up higher on the priority list when you have lack of religion.

Good input.  
--Ann</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noell,</p>
<p>I know exactly what you are talking about.  It is not like health is a substitution for religion, it just moves up higher on the priority list when you have lack of religion.</p>
<p>Good input.<br />
&#8211;Ann</p>
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