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		<title>By: Noell</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/28/criss-cross-applesauce/comment-page-1/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Noell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ron, that was fascinating.  You inpired me to simplify (which I&#039;ve been trying to do anyway), and work on doing more single-focused tasks, rather than multi-tasking all the time.  

I think a lot of us will relate to what you are saying about society-imposed overstimulation and anxiety, and your explanation for the relaxing affects of the actions you listed.  It really clicked for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ron, that was fascinating.  You inpired me to simplify (which I&#8217;ve been trying to do anyway), and work on doing more single-focused tasks, rather than multi-tasking all the time.  </p>
<p>I think a lot of us will relate to what you are saying about society-imposed overstimulation and anxiety, and your explanation for the relaxing affects of the actions you listed.  It really clicked for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Noell</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/28/criss-cross-applesauce/comment-page-1/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>Noell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 02:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed:  I used your link and read his post.  It&#039;s unbelievable.  I think Ron made a comment once about Christians against yoga.  Anyway, I read all the comments, too.  Your comments were brilliant.  You did such a good job refuting every point they made, and all they could come up with was the bit about it being a judge.  Ultimately, he and his readers were never able to counter your rebuttal.  It rocked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed:  I used your link and read his post.  It&#8217;s unbelievable.  I think Ron made a comment once about Christians against yoga.  Anyway, I read all the comments, too.  Your comments were brilliant.  You did such a good job refuting every point they made, and all they could come up with was the bit about it being a judge.  Ultimately, he and his readers were never able to counter your rebuttal.  It rocked.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For folks who have a hard time with the &#039;sit and breathe&#039; modes of meditation - know that doing any form of repetative single-focus activity has comperable effects on your physiology and mind.
Knitting, gardening, painting (paint-by-numbers are actually perscribed to people with anxiety disorders by some doctors), cross-stitching, yoga, jogging, hiking, quilting, etc.
As I understand it - the main goal is to focus on something that does not send your mind in a hundred different directions.
It should be mentioned that prayer has the identical effect - and that singing with the breathing patterns in most hymns has this same effect as well.  Blue-grassy spirituals do an amazing job of directly imitating the breathing patterns used in meditation. Shorter inhalation - longer exhalation.  Sleep breathing.

People come to understand that these things help them - and they are want to attribute their own personal interpretation as to why that is.  Prayer does heal -  just like paint-by-numbers!  Singing hymns does get a loving response from god - as much so if you envision &#039;god&#039; as the collection of laws and relationships that make up physical reality (including our own bodies).

When a mind is racing a hundred miles an hour - and you focus on a single thing in a state of calm, it stands to reason that you are closer to your more natural (less man-made hyper-engaged sensory-overloaded) state. Being closer to a natural state brings health.  
To me, this is more beautiful than any magical thinking a superstition may provide.
People who rail against meditation and yoga (the devil&#039;s playground!!!) would prefer that you seek your naural relief using church perscribed methods of prayer and worship.  Different means to the same end - and one doesn&#039;t require that you believe in magic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For folks who have a hard time with the &#8216;sit and breathe&#8217; modes of meditation &#8211; know that doing any form of repetative single-focus activity has comperable effects on your physiology and mind.<br />
Knitting, gardening, painting (paint-by-numbers are actually perscribed to people with anxiety disorders by some doctors), cross-stitching, yoga, jogging, hiking, quilting, etc.<br />
As I understand it &#8211; the main goal is to focus on something that does not send your mind in a hundred different directions.<br />
It should be mentioned that prayer has the identical effect &#8211; and that singing with the breathing patterns in most hymns has this same effect as well.  Blue-grassy spirituals do an amazing job of directly imitating the breathing patterns used in meditation. Shorter inhalation &#8211; longer exhalation.  Sleep breathing.</p>
<p>People come to understand that these things help them &#8211; and they are want to attribute their own personal interpretation as to why that is.  Prayer does heal &#8211;  just like paint-by-numbers!  Singing hymns does get a loving response from god &#8211; as much so if you envision &#8216;god&#8217; as the collection of laws and relationships that make up physical reality (including our own bodies).</p>
<p>When a mind is racing a hundred miles an hour &#8211; and you focus on a single thing in a state of calm, it stands to reason that you are closer to your more natural (less man-made hyper-engaged sensory-overloaded) state. Being closer to a natural state brings health.<br />
To me, this is more beautiful than any magical thinking a superstition may provide.<br />
People who rail against meditation and yoga (the devil&#8217;s playground!!!) would prefer that you seek your naural relief using church perscribed methods of prayer and worship.  Different means to the same end &#8211; and one doesn&#8217;t require that you believe in magic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Darrell</title>
		<link>http://www.agnosticmom.com/2006/01/28/criss-cross-applesauce/comment-page-1/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 06:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benefits to meditation?

Not to pick blog fights or anything, but have you seen Doug Groothuis&#039; rant over at Culture Watch, against yoga as teaching religion?  And the wrong religion?

http://theconstructivecurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2005/12/american-irony-yoga-yes-design-no.html

Your post was a breath of fresh air.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benefits to meditation?</p>
<p>Not to pick blog fights or anything, but have you seen Doug Groothuis&#8217; rant over at Culture Watch, against yoga as teaching religion?  And the wrong religion?</p>
<p><a href="http://theconstructivecurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2005/12/american-irony-yoga-yes-design-no.html" rel="nofollow">http://theconstructivecurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2005/12/american-irony-yoga-yes-design-no.html</a></p>
<p>Your post was a breath of fresh air.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2006 22:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meditating is much harder than it sounds. I&#039;m not very good at it but it&#039;s on my list of things to get better at. 

I&#039;ve had moments like the one with your daughter and the old man with the shopping cart. I&#039;m particularly cautious with my kids around elderly people who have (and rightly so) a big fear of falling. I&#039;ve never tried meditation with my kids, but hey, it can&#039;t hurt!

Also, thanks for letting me know that Indian-style is now Criss-Cross Applesauce. I&#039;m woefully politically incorrect when it comes to this stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meditating is much harder than it sounds. I&#8217;m not very good at it but it&#8217;s on my list of things to get better at. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had moments like the one with your daughter and the old man with the shopping cart. I&#8217;m particularly cautious with my kids around elderly people who have (and rightly so) a big fear of falling. I&#8217;ve never tried meditation with my kids, but hey, it can&#8217;t hurt!</p>
<p>Also, thanks for letting me know that Indian-style is now Criss-Cross Applesauce. I&#8217;m woefully politically incorrect when it comes to this stuff.</p>
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